Logo

How did China invent gunpowder but it was the European nations that went out and “conquered the world using firearms”?

09.06.2025 09:51

How did China invent gunpowder but it was the European nations that went out and “conquered the world using firearms”?

Casualties aren’t garanted. Pellets are great but their power of penetration is pretty low. So if the guys in front of you have a good armor, it won’t do s…

So, were these weapons empty of any qualities?

You can be part of these casualties. Yeah… cause your weapon can also explode in your end.

Matted Dog Lived Alone On A Rooftop For Years — Then Hope Arrived - The Dodo - For Animal People

So, why didn’t chinese use gun to conquer the world (or at least improve their army) ? Because they didn’t invest in it. Why they didn’t invest in it? Because their lack of tech and industry made gun a bad investment. And not being psychic, they couldn’t see the potential these weapon could reach 1000 years later.

But with gun, you could turn a bunch of conscript into armies of dozens of thousands of men. Not with bows. And with 20.000 gunmen, you can easily crush 2000 bowmen.

Well not really, they had 2 big qualities. And this is what saved them

Why is my elder sister so mean?

With time improvement in technology made the guns more and more interesting and ended burying the bow.

Because gunpowder by itself is not that strong.

First, their production can be industrialized. You can mass produce powder, you can mass produce canon, you can mass produce amnution. You can’t mass produce bows and arrows

Exclusive: Vivian Wilson Gave Us the Best Reaction to the Elon Musk-Trump Feud - Teen Vogue

They didn’t see gun as an incredibly powerful weapon. In fact, bow was still seen better than gun up to the 17th century. So 900 years after the first hand canons.

Edit: i don’t mean you can’t produce a lot of them, i mean you can’t industrialize the process. Of course if you bring 10.000 specialized artisan you going to produce a lot of bow.

Not really useful, is it? Of course today we know their potential. But no chinese emperor will spend centuries of investing in hand canon because “one day it could be useful”. This is why hand canon and proto black powder weapon were more like gadget. At best very specialized weapon to use for naval battle (like the firespear), compensate a lack of men (like the first powder-based balista) or to break formations like the canon above. You don’t need 200.000 of them.

Inside the Spectacular Downfall of UnitedHealth and Its CEO - WSJ

So, with a gun, as long you have the industry and the men, you can litteraly raise big armies. And THIS is what interested European.

The range is stupidly low. You have to be at 10–20 meter to have an effect. A mongol bow can shot at 500m range max. Let’s say you can advance at 5km/H (cause you now it’s heavy), you will take 5 min to cover the distance. 5 min is enough to shoot 30 arrows at you. How many casualities do you hope to do with a shot? Not 30. And because it’s extremely visible and slow to reload, you won’t get a second chance.

It’s heavy so it’s an hell to transport. Logistic is one of the main key in war, so obviously having individual weapon weighing 20kg and requiring tons of powder and amunition is not great.

23andMe Sets New Auction With $305 Million New Bid From Ex-CEO - Bloomberg

An hand canon. The idea is easy on paper, you bring it, load it with powder and then pellet, approach the enemy and fire.

It took 900 years of development to come to that, and bow still had the advantage

On practice? It wasn’t great.

A 14-year-old created an app that detects heart disease almost instantly - Boy Genius Report

Ok, let me explain. When the gunpowder was first used, it looked like that

This part was pretty nice, because European armies were typically about a few nobles, trained knights and a big bunch of conscripts and mercenaries. Having a range weapon not requiring a lot of training was a pretty big bonus. This is also the reason of why the crossbow became popular.

pikachu shock

Why do atheists always argue about the existence of suffering in the world as meaning God doesn't exist when it doesn't prove anything?

Second, you don’t need that much training. It takes years, almost a decade, to train a good bowman. It takes a few month to train a good gunman.

It’s fucking slow. a bowman could shoot 6 arrow per minute. This? It’s gonna take at least 2 minute to reload. You shoot one time, the guy in front of you shoot 12 times, who do you think will win?